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this is need to know real talk about the reality
of unidentified aerial phenomenon hey friend

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I'm Bryce Sable and I'm holding down the fort
today on need to know Ross coldheart my co-host

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is like we like to say in the news business
on assignment um just a couple of pieces of

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housekeeping kind of interesting that this
year we have been nominated the new need to

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know podcast has been nominated by the Roswell
Daily Record Film Festival as best web series

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uh I don't know what the history of this award
is but as they say in the Hollywood business

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that I'm in it's an honor just to be nominated
so we thank the Roswell Film Festival I'll

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be speaking there uh this year they're July
or their June 30th through July 2nd I guess

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I'm doing something every day there main speech
on Friday and I'm trying to figure out a way

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to make some news and make some noise at the
same time um also um there's you know panels

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and I'll be part of those now the thing is
um you may Wonder uh what my life is like

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right now I'm still on strike at the writer
scale but we're coming up on a month now and

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when you're on strike it means you can't write
on covered projects that are film or television

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which means pencils down as we like to say
even though that's an anachronism and nobody

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uses a pencil anymore my pencils are down
for Hollywood film and TV projects but that

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does mean that I can work on my book because
a book is not covered so it's interesting

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um the topic that I'm speaking on at Roswell
is basically Close Encounters of the Hollywood

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kind and guess what that's the title of the
book and depending on how long the strike

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lasts I might even get it finished but I'm
working on that proposal now hope to get it

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out soon anyway so uh what we're gonna do
here is we're carrying on as as we always

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Liz wood here and I've got a guest here a
very special guest for me because we met at

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one of those uh conferences that that I rarely
go to but I was at the international UFO conference

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in Phoenix and that was I believe late last
year and that's where I met Chrissy Newton

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who is our guest or guest host or whatever
Chrissy good to see you how are you good to

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see you too Bryce so good to see you I just
want to bring our uh our listeners and our

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viewers up to date you are a public relations
person you have your own company vocab I guess

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Communications and you're up in Toronto right
I am yes vocab Communications and I've owned

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it for 14 years yeah it's been amazing and
I've been likely enough to work with multiple

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clients from Rexall to Paramount plus to CBC
which is a Canadian company all the way to

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alternate bank and Microsoft and and luckily
have been able to you know work in the UAP

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topic as well doing public relations now as
I understand it you've never ever done a podcast

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before this will be your first podcast ever
is that correct right okay I'm kidding obviously

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exactly I'm a newbie yeah exactly I feel like
such a poser here with only one podcast you

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have two one of them is called alt pop retreat
but the one most of the people in this space

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know about is the work you do with debrief
and you have a podcast called rebelliously

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curious which I guess I was on not too long
ago yeah you were and you're a great guest

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I love you guys that show tell us you're a
founding partner of the the debrief which

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is one of my favorite groups of people in
this in this business uh you know uh all the

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the gang there tell me how that came about
I I just really have never heard that story

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about how debrief got cooked up well the origins
of the debrief starts with Micah Hanks to

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McMillan at MJ Banias the three of them as
friends came together to decide to start a

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science Tech in defense and UFO website like
News website because they were obviously contributing

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if you follow their work to Popular Mechanics
and some really large Outlets so they took

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what they know and when it comes to journalism
and created the debrief and so I've been a

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UFO follower fanatic for almost my whole life
since I was six years old and I'm always following

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the UFO beep and this story came out and it
was released and it was the first breaking

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news story from the debrief and I'm like who
the heck is the debrief I've never heard of

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this new site and also as a as a PR person
you know you know a majority of outlets especially

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in this topic since I follow it and I'm like
who are these guys so I like did my you know

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deep dive and I looked into Tim McMillan and
MJ benais and Micah Hanks and I followed all

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of them on social media on Twitter and then
I added them like a creep to Facebook and

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so a friend requested them so I was like you
know I'm curious who these people are so then

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I'm Jay benias put a post said looking for
writers and I sent a message to him and said

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I don't want to write I wouldn't want to I
don't want to write for the debrief but what

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I would like to do is do some video podcasting
or video contributions to the YouTube channel

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and he was like all right let's see what you
got little lady and so I put together my test

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and put it out you know into the ethos to
them and they liked it and and then from there

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we jumped into a Discord group and you know
started to obviously become friends and contributed

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and really started working together and then
later on they asked me to become a partner

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and that's kind of how it started almost three
years ago and now you know we're such a great

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group we say good morning to each other you
know we talk we share news you know everybody's

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doing multiple things but it's just a really
great group to be part of and I'm happy and

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we all kind of started with the love of UFOs
and then obviously sex oh my God Tech and

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Science and defense yeah you just said that
you guys are part of the Discord group I if

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I'm not wrong Discord is where all those documents
uh that got leaked and used tell me how Discord

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works and and since you've been on it how
do you think that happened well I think with

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Discord it's obviously a platform right and
I'm not a hundred percent because this is

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not my mom my forte in Discord but it's a
place where obviously you can build your own

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communities and invite where they can share
information but I believe those documents

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were Elite and I was actually talking to Tim
McMillan about this today funny enough uh

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they were leaked into and I'm not exactly
sure who released them but then that might

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have been potentially we were talking about
misinformation campaigns today on a call because

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I'm doing a presentation and it has a part
of that in there in contact in the desert

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anyway we were chatting about it and it potentially
could have been something that was maybe leaked

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to start as a disinformation that turned into
misinformation and that's potentially might

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what have happened but I don't know the full
story on those leaked documents but Discord

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is a really great place to have a community
and be able to share information it can be

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with your friends it could be with a company
it could be with it could be really anybody

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you know there's I believe somewhere in the
skies has a Discord group as well Ryan Sprague

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does so lots of people have them but ours
is specifically just for the debrief and we

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have our own little Newsroom well I'm just
looking for a piece of paper here to um well

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I don't have it or maybe I do hang on a second
well I'll tell you what um so

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do you think knowing what you know about Discord
and knowing what we don't know about it but

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what just happened there do you look for something
like that to be a way that UFOs are finally

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acknowledged is there a document or document
Trove out there that's just waiting to be

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posted by somebody that's going to tell the
truth and start the process big time what's

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your thought like through Discord or any you
know Discord was the vehicle I guess by which

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we saw some of those documents but just in
general uh do you think document leaking is

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the way that this whole thing starts to really
come unraveled or would it be a mass sighting

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or would it be what would it be what is it
going to take to get this this ball really

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rolling before when it comes to a form of
disclosure yeah you know there is document

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leaking is interesting because I I literally
just I have an interview coming up with Tim

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Burchette about this and we talked about that
I asked him you know are you Pro leaks them

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because he's so if you follow Tim bruschetti
and you follow not so much of his other political

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conversations which I don't agree with personally
but there is this conversation of UFOs that

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he speaks so loudly about everywhere he goes
he thinks it's ET he also thinks it's a government

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cover-up so we dive really deep into it and
I asked him from his perspective if he thinks

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Lakes are okay and if leaking documents and
technically that's kind of like a form of

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treason so I said are you okay and you work
for the American government and he said I'm

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not asking anyone to do Espionage but what
I'm asking is that we come to a truth and

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that maybe potentially leaks are the way to
go and I don't know how I feel about that

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myself I think that there is and I asked him
isn't that potentially dangerous though for

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information that's supposed to be you know
protecting us against foreign adversaries

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and Intel the things that we don't want to
be leaked because it can be used against us

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and he really didn't think anything of that
which I thought was really interesting especially

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working within Congress so for me I don't
think League throws the way to go because

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they're not always accurate and who are you
leaking the information to True are they fact

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checking you know do they know how to fact
check are they just people that you feel that

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you have some kind of trust and relationship
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always on the side of being accurate and that's
the challenge so I'm not for sure for sure

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for leaks I would say that I'm I'm for maybe
not leaks to the general public like on a

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Discord but I am in in support of leaks to
proper journalists that work potentially with

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Prestige Media or people that know how to
fact check and really understand this topic

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and really understand what the root cause
and effect is of leaks and be able to understand

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when something is really really secretive
that it might affect National Security and

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what does that mean and what are the implications
and that's really where I look at things and

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I'm concerned about personally whether you
don't have to be Pro or con I guess on leaking

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but my buddy Ross uh always says that he thinks
that that could be a way that things move

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forward because he said Washington just always
leaks and I suppose that's true uh over time

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uh but we'll see but I here I found the piece
of information I wanted to talk to you about

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um we do polls from time to time on Twitter
and they get really good response we did one

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recently this one had 3 365 votes in 24 hours
so that's not bad um and the question was

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what is the most likely event to bring confirmation
of non-human intelligence leading to disclosure

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of Crash wreckage intact craft and reverse
engineering efforts and we gave people four

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options one was leaked documents one was a
mass siding the other was whistleblower testimony

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and the final one was some kind of high-res
video image and here's how it came down Mass

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siding walked away with it 43 followed by
those high-res video images which got 23 percent

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whistleblower testimony 21 and literally at
the bottom of the barrel with 13 was leaked

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documents so I guess people don't have a lot
of confidence in that and yet I'd have to

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say I have probably less confidence in the
video and photo parts since you can fake anything

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these days what's your take I would say seeing
is believing personally I think that if you're

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having a mass sighting and you're actually
seeing it and you're having and this could

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be potentially everywhere around the world
too right it could be in multiple cities so

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for me that would make more sense uh to have
a mass sighting Lake documents can always

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be forged misinformation campaigns and disinformation
campaigns are always happening within the

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American government so something could technically
be leaked to be disinformation against China

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and Russia let's say but it ends up getting
leaked into our system and then we end up

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taking it as fact when it real and becomes
misinformation and fake news when it legitly

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was done for a disinformation campaign to
another country and ends affecting people

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so that's why leak documents not so much for
myself um and then looking at I think like

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high-res photos not so much but I think people
seeing it seeing it believing and having multiple

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cities a one major city and people having
their own footage and it going viral on social

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media that's that's where I would go you know
hard as it is to believe I mean it just blows

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my mind but the Phoenix Lights Mass sighting
was over 25 years ago I think it's 26 years

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now so I think a lot about that because people
go well if it was such a big important Mass

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siding Why didn't it change everything I guess
my question is in the 25 years since the Phoenix

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sighting we've certainly changed how we look
at this we have people investigating it we

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have all the social media Etc if there was
a mass siding of the style of what happened

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in Phoenix back in 97 do you think it would
be treated differently today and if so do

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you think that different treatment would lead
to a a greater acceptance that these are possibly

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non-human intelligence a hundred percent it
would be so different because of social media

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we have we have a place where like we look
at Tick Tock we have apps where we can zoom

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in exactly in the point in time in moment
that things are happening so like I can go

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to Iran and I can look at what's going on
I can go to Afghanistan and I can look at

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people's posts because it's open to the public
so I can look at their photos so I can look

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at their videos so a hundred percent yes it
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like the Phoenix Lights would be documented
in different ways we look at those the women

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and I believe it was a daughter and a mom
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underneath it and they could explain what
it looked like I believe they even talked

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about like the metal like color it looked
like and shape and like legitly drove under

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the thing so you can imagine if you had a
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or going live that you'd be able to get hundreds
of thousands potentially millions of people

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on that live feed so yeah I think it would
change everything and news media would pick

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it up instantly as well but I think we just
have challenges though that we haven't we

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have those sightings but we're getting stuck
in again I bring into this I keep talking

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about fake news but we're in that place where
people can obviously manipulate things and

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we're and we're seeing that so I think that
it would have to take a large amount of people

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in a mass sighting for people to really yeah
jump jump on and be like okay this is actually

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happening and sharing it with each other but
it's very different from 97 in the Phoenix

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Lights yeah absolutely well you know um Chrissy
one of the things that we we do here on need

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to know is we we take a look at what's hot
in the news on this UFO UAP reality issue

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and when you said 100 I had to smile because
that was my very first place I wanted to start

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which is with Gary Nolan and by now most of
the people who are listening known Gary Nolan's

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name very well I believe you even had them
on one of your podcasts recently this is the

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Stanford Professor who has researched UAP
for the U.S government and he said at a 80

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let's see it was a New York City conference
salt eye connections conference and the title

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of the conference was the Pentagon extraterrestrial
intelligence and crashed UFOs and in any case

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uh paraphrasing uh Dr Nolan he said that not
only did he think extraterrestrials had visited

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us but that they were still doing it and they
were here now and when he was asked by the

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uh the moderator uh at what percent you know
uh how would he how confident he was of that

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he said 100 percent now that has Twitter UFO
Twitter and frankly the entire world going

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crazy about like wait a second what does this
guy know why is he saying this I'm sure you've

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heard about uh Dr Nolan's statement which
has set off a bit of a firestorm as I said

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so what's your take um did he did he set ufology
and its acceptance forward by making that

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kind of definitive statement or is he going
to get caught in the the media Clause of how

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can he be so sure and and he'll be undermined
what what's your take on how he's going to

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see things well it's a bold statement from
someone coming from Stanford and we know that

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Gary Nolan for years is not scared to talk
about this right he's talked about I would

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say even more controversial topics so I think
it's just recent that he's been saying that

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and obviously at a conference with a whole
bunch of people it's very bold move to do

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I don't think it's when you say a hundred
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it's like what do you know then and why aren't
you telling us more well when I hear somebody

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say a hundred percent don't you kind of go
to okay if you're talking about the UFO issue

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and you're at I am not at 100 because they
I've not seen a UFO up close and personal

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B I haven't been ushered into any warehouse
where they're working on one and see I haven't

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gone to an autopsy with the body or talked
to an alien so I can't be a hundred percent

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I but I put myself more like I guess 80 percent
uh and I don't know that it's extraterrestrial

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he seemed to say it was extra terrestrial
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did that and I just thought people might he
talked about there was compelling evidence

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to justify his 100 percent so the moderator
said what is it this is what Nolan said he

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said you just need to look at what your government
is doing right now about it just go and look

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at the number of politicians on both sides
of the aisle who have come together in some

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signed off on this statement what are they
basing their opinions on they're basing their

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opinions on the dozens of individuals who
in one manner or another have come forward

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and talked to them in classified settings
and then of course he talked about all the

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government programs and and arrow and things
like that is that evidence is that 100 evidence

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to you or is he holding something back do
you think no I don't think that's evidence

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I don't think you know testimonies and stories
are part of evidence and like lots of people

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will say that and it goes towards it but you
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you need to have more than just hearsay the
one thing that Gary Newell is doing that's

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so different is the research on the brain
which I think and neurology based around this

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topic and I think that's his best work looking
at the cottie potainment that's in the middle

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of your brain and how this is connected with
experiencers and potentially UAP that is the

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most amazing work and literally could be form
of evidence that we can use as medical evidence

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down the road so I think he needs to stay
in that lane it's not you know Gary's gonna

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be like right Chrissy but I would prefer that
because that's his best practice and that's

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what he knows what to do and I respect him
on that because that's his area of expertise

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and he's an academic outside of whistleblowers
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playing the games I would say yeah you have
to step back because 100 is a hundred percent

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and if you're saying this is what it is and
you're going on the record and saying that

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and people are reporting it well you don't
know and if you know something that we don't

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know well then maybe you need to come forward
more and talk about it and potentially Gary

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Wood and I think he will at some point but
you're right it's bold and but we see that

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from everybody yeah we see that from every
single person that says they know things or

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that this is for sure accurate and I'm very
very very skeptical of that to be honest because

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you know I don't think we know and if we do
then I always joke around say why am I going

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to work then like what do I need to go to
work I'm like if aliens are walking Among

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Us why am I working why am I going to work
yes I've given that a lot of thought over

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the years you know listen I want to talk about
what you just said but uh one thing I do want

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to say is I'm a big fan of Gary Nolan's I
mean he's been on this show he's been on your

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show he's a incredibly articulate uh scientist
to talk about this and I I would say this

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about the stay in your lane kind of uh take
that sometimes people have applied to him

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which is um his credentials are uh studying
uh the brain and the mind and he's looked

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into biological effects Etc but he's a brilliant
man with a brilliant mind and he's accomplished

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many things so I don't think I I think he
is entitled to get out of his Lane a little

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bit and use that brilliant scientific mind
to analyze the information that may not be

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part of you know his credentialed expertise
so I will uh give him that because I mean

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obviously you know you and I aren't in a particular
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all kinds of different things all the time
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say that what we should be talking about right
now because it is it's kind of the thing that

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lays over this whole world we're in right
now I remember literally at the end of last

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year as 2022 was giving way to 2023. uh Ross
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trying to look back on 22 and see what that
had in it and then look forward to 23 and

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at the end of it we said we you know we ask
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we even did a poll on that one and by the
way more people were in favor of fizzle which

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was what uh Ross thought Ross thought 23 was
going to fizzle out but that was like four

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or five months ago when he said it I thought
it was going to sizzle and I have to say um

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I still think it's going to sizzle I think
23 is on the verge of big Sizzle but that's

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just my opinion and maybe I should get back
in my Lane let me ask you what your thoughts

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are you think we're looking at a 2023 that's
going to go down in history in the same way

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say that 2017 did with the New York Times
article well I also think that is your lane

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personally I think that if you're laying that's
why I am in the same boat where I think it

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it will Sizzle but I don't think it's gonna
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like aha like now we know because let's be
honest for more than 75 years the past has

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repeated itself and that's what's happening
right now we look at the UFO topic and everything

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that happened in the 60s and the 40s and the
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from Congress we're seeing you know uh hearings
but then it was uh press conferences we're

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seeing or videos that were coming out with
Donald keyhoe so we're seeing that the past

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is reflecting to the future but the future
now will hopefully be different than won't

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reflect the past and we're in the middle of
that and I think that's like extremely exciting

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because we're living it and we have the ability
to change that so I think it's gonna Sizzle

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and I think it's gonna Sizzle but not to the
point where it's like oh my gosh you know

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we know every everything I think that I probably
will be dead potentially by the time I know

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I'll be dead you're younger though you've
got more of a shot at it but well I I hope

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I can see it in my lifetime but I I just don't
I think we're it's gonna take decades for

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that to come through and science is going
to have to actually meet the same Mark as

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this conversation and that's where we're living
right now and it's going to take these multiple

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Generations pushing it through and championing
it so we don't end up in the past where we

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have a modern day Condon report no thanks
and I hope that doesn't happen but I don't

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think we're going to go that way but it's
gonna Sizzle and I'm excited and I've also

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heard on my end I'm going to be one of those
people that I've heard that in Canada it's

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gonna Sizzle too and I've heard that from
great sources yeah I uh you know people wonder

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if you have sources why don't you name their
name so that's just not the way it works sometimes

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people have to speak to you on background
and you try to develop the story where you

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can get multiple sources and bring people
in by name but having said that um I have

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heard uh the same Rumblings about Canada getting
a little more aggressive behind the scenes

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and and possibly scooping even the United
States or at least doing something in in concert

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with the United States but one thing I think
we might do here to focus this conversation

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is yeah people have used disclosure as a word
for a long time I even wrote a book about

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it with Richard Dolan called A.D after disclosure
about how the world would look after we all

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admit that some of these are non-human intelligence
uh but here's the definition that I've evolved

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over time I don't think disclosure is in the
cards this year or probably next year because

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disclosure to me is where you just plain out
and lay out the facts and you know somebody

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official from the president to the pope to
the head of NATO to the head of China somebody

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comes forward and says uh this whole UFO UAP
thing yeah it's real here's some evidence

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for you to chew on but there's no doubt about
it that would be disclosure of some kind if

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they gave us all you know five terabyte hard
drives full of uh video and and documents

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and photos that would be even more disclosure
I am lately embracing a different word and

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that's confirmation confirmation to me Falls
a little short of disclosure but it's that

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makes it far more likely this confirmation
for me would be when somebody official simply

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says uh yes uh it is to the best of our knowledge
these are not made by humans they reflect

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a non-human intelligence and we're looking
into it that would at least be confirmation

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because um uh Chrissy one of the things that
I certainly have done over the years is I've

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gotten more impatient okay I started in this
as a much younger man and I thought okay I

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can play the long game for this thing you
know eventually I'll probably be around when

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it happens well I'm not the same young guy
that I was and I'm getting more and more impatient

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because you know this is now going on close
to 80 years uh that's too long for me and

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I've seen some very good people have to go
to their deaths not knowing uh one great example

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would be Stanton Friedman who is a friend
of mine I optioned one of his books I've written

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a movie about him and Don Schmidt competing
over Roswell for example and Stan uh and I

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for the research into this book I must have
spoken to him for I don't know 40 50 hours

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and just sort of I knew his life story frankly
better than standing did uh for for a while

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but at the end Stan before he passed away
a few years ago was you could see he was a

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little Melancholy about it because he put
his heart and his soul and a hundred percent

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of his effort into trying to make this story
available to the human race and instead he

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was greeted with a ridicule and uh and people
just putting him down and acting like he wasn't

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smart like he really was and acting like he
was a fraud and and I think he went to his

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passing saying why why can't I know this and
um Don Schmidt even told me uh that uh heineck

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his last words or next to last words were
why can't I know this even now so I I kind

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of come from that point of view I'm ready
for a little Sizzle it doesn't have to be

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a full stake uh but a little Sizzle would
be good that's my take something medium rare

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I'm like that's right I'm probably a little
bloody on the inside too let's be honest never

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know what this topic I I agree I say that
disclosure is ongoing I don't think that the

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word disclosure in some people will agree
or disagree you can let me know uh on social

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media but I say that disclosure doesn't really
exist it's something obviously we made up

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to campaign and to lobbying to Champion as
people and you know as a counterculture in

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the ufology world but I would say disclosure
once we do find out and you're right they

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say hey UFOs and aliens or all these things
do exist and here is the evidence this is

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what we're doing about it we're still gonna
say that's not enough what's the next thing

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now what and you know we want to meet them
or what's disclosure after that I think it's

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ongoing so I don't I don't like using the
word as much as well I use it in context to

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describe this because everyone does and we
we know it part of the Lexicon in this community

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but I uh I think confirmation is is a great
word because that's what we need and and I

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agree Paul hellard was one of those people
too the Minister of Defense in Canada when

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he passed away he didn't know when he was
lobbying for the longest period of time to

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find out more information on UFOs and multiple
different things but it's unfortunate because

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you're right why why can't they know and we
should be able to know it's I think it's a

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right technology we are we are kind of on
a spectrum I know that when Dolan and I were

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we spent about a year working on that book
having all these conversations hypothetically

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and we decided that really what the the world
we were in was the BC World which was before

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confirmation and we were on a path toward
an ad World which is after disclosure and

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we came to the conclusion there could be a
couple of ways that goes down and and I think

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uh because I'm the Hollywood guy here I I
applied a Hollywood metaphor to it which would

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be um you could either have a slow dissolve
which would mean we're learning a little bit

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more every year every week whatever and then
a hard cut is where it happens overnight and

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about the only way it's going to happen overnight
probably would be a mass sighting um but I

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will I I something that I just think is so
intriguing uh about the time we live in now

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and why I look for Sizzle is that when I was
growing up first of all you you couldn't even

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really talk about flying saucers or UFOs in
polite company people would just they were

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conditioned to ridicule you for doing it or
to laugh at you um for wasting your time thinking

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about such things and if anybody had mentioned
um crash wreckage crash retrieval reverse

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engineering recovery of bodies I mean that
was hard Fringe stuff and if you went there

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you not only were foolish but you were to
be avoided that was even within ufology you

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know people couldn't get their head around
it but now we are in a time period where because

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of the Whistleblower legislation that was
passed in the National Defense authorization

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Act the idea of Crash wreckage crash retrieval
of intact craft and retrieval of bodies and

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Legacy programs dealing with some kind of
reverse engineering that's all people seem

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to be talking about right now and uh we talked
about sources and all that the I have it on

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what I consider reasonably good authority
that some of these whistleblowers who have

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already spoken to Congress for hours and hours
and hours in classified sessions that's exactly

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what they're talking about so if there are
some senators or House of Representatives

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Congress people running around with their
hair on fire right now it's because somebody

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has sat in a classified meeting and said hey
you know what there is Crash wreckage I can

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tell you where they keep it and I can tell
you the name of the program and I can tell

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you where you can go find it so that to me
it's not out in public yet but it's being

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discussed in the halls of power right now
and to me that puts it closer and closer because

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when you start naming names even if it's classified
you are getting closer and closer to people

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talking about the real thing or or I mean
frankly um trying to subpoena people um I

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personally I would if I was on the Senate
Intel committee I'd be going to wherever they

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said those crashes were and looking for myself
so I I have a certain optimism based on that

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uh that I'm hearing out of DC and I wonder
are you hearing the same kind of talk out

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of DC yeah I would say that in Washington
and Jack Valley says this and I love it so

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much Washington is a place especially within
um within government it's a place to trade

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secrets so I think secrets are being traded
and they have for a while but more likely

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on this topic they're being talked about I
did an interview with Danny Sheehan that works

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in civil rights and has been a lobbyist and
activist in the space for years and he's working

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with whistleblowers right now and we actually
broke down the legislation together because

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I was like hey we need to we need to really
talk about this so we can understand what

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we're looking at because let's be honest lawyer
jargon and legislation jargon is not the easiest

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thing to understand right and we don't that's
not my everyday job but my everyday job is

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to go find some people to go figure it out
with me and to be able to explain it to other

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people and be able to ask questions and why
things don't make sense so for example a lot

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of the legislation has a bunch of loopholes
in it and that's really interesting it has

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tons of loopholes where we don't know where
proper reporting is um what triggers like

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72 hours so that Congress would know and then
obviously the president you know how protected

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are whistleblowers as well like they are they
say that they're very protected under the

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atomic act but there's also a lot of loopholes
within that or questions or things that are

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very vague so I think that right now we're
at a point where people are asking questions

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and again I asked him for shut this as well
and said what are the conversations that are

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being had right now so people are curious
I don't think they know as much as we think

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they do there is a small group and say I would
say arrow is that and Sean kirpatrick and

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maybe some other congressmen and Congress
people but I think we're at a point right

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now and you know Danny Sheehan said this and
I love it is that unfortunately Sean Kirkpatrick

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is a very passive right now we looked at if
this is the new type of Project Blue Book

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we looked at J Allen heineck we looked at
everybody else they were actively going out

386
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and researching and looking at cases and documenting
them we have physical evidence of that right

387
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now what's happening is Shanker Patrick is
saying how about whistleblers come talk to

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me and and getting people to come forward
through their system and that's very passive

389
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rather being reactive so the question is why
is he being passive is he just waiting and

390
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why isn't he going out and really taking um
if he feels that there's a lot of validity

391
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of this why isn't he going out and being more
active you're right like going to sites looking

392
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into things a lot more but he's not right
now and so maybe he's just in Phase One of

393
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this and maybe he has a strategy of phase
two and phase three of how this will roll

394
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out I'm going to give them the benefit of
the doubt for now and see what happens but

395
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I am not that I don't think I think he's trying
his best and it's a very hard position to

396
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:30,300
be in let's be honest because it's so new
new and you have a whole Community analyzing

397
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every single move so I'm going to give them
a benefit of the doubt right now and I'm curious

398
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to see what he will say with the information
that lots of people have about whistleblowers

399
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coming forward and the information that they
know if Sean Kirkpatrick is going to release

400
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that and on a side note that I'll end this
thought is that there is a smart thing that

401
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:54,620
he probably shouldn't release all of it there
has to be some kind of decorum I think that

402
00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:58,990
goes with this you can't be like hey we have
all this evidence and this is what it is I

403
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:03,990
think you have to figure out how to have these
conversations so it doesn't affect culture

404
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:10,150
too much and also let's be honest he's a scientist
he's a physicist so he wants the science to

405
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catch up so that he can prove it through science
and he's even said that in the recent hearings

406
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and that's where I think that it's going to
be a very long dissolve as you said and it

407
00:36:20,859 --> 00:36:24,760
will be a trickle because I think if Sean
Kirkpatrick stays in this position as long

408
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as possible the science will have to prove
it outside people and hear say stories as

409
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of now well you know it's so it's like we
say don't get me started on Sean Kirkpatrick

410
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but for those of you just joining us Sean
Kirkpatrick is the head of the the new head

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of the all domain anomaly resolution office
or arrow and um you know if he actually Chrissy

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is going out uh and and investigating he's
he's doing it off the I mean he's doing it

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classified because he's certainly not talking
about it at his one public testimony that

414
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he gave I believe a month over a month ago
uh he basically said we got nothing that would

415
00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:11,460
imply anything extraterrestrial um Just one
thought about that uh I agree he is a scientist

416
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so in fact if he knows where they're holding
crash wreckage he should get in a car or a

417
00:37:17,330 --> 00:37:22,740
plane and go there and look at it for himself
so that as a scientist he could assure himself

418
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that it is something that we're not making
but the other thing about Sean is uh I hear

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that people have come to him I hear that he's
heard a dozen people at least who are whistleblower

420
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types who who have legitimate uh areas of
expertise who have worked in programs for

421
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:45,420
the government and for private Enterprise
that can be checked out and they have told

422
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:52,780
them some incredible stories about as I said
crash wreckage intact craft uh reverse engineering

423
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and even bodies and apparently all of those
people talking to him still didn't rate as

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evidence to him uh because he said he had
seen or heard nothing so um I don't know about

425
00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:11,619
that the other thing is the hot rumor right
now and I don't know who started it I don't

426
00:38:11,619 --> 00:38:17,390
have any clue uh whether it's true so let
me pass it on which I'm embarrassed to do

427
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:22,260
but I already was going to get fired have
you heard that what I heard he was going to

428
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:28,250
get fired no I did not hear that if anything
I heard that he wasn't doing his job correctly

429
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:35,800
wouldn't show up to work but I was like or
a guy I'm like can you imagine he worked like

430
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,970
I the man's going to work that's like a horrible
listen I don't want to you know make his life

431
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:45,290
miserable I mean it's a hard job he's got
and I admire him for doing it and I'm glad

432
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:51,960
he's doing it I don't think he's getting fired
you know what Bryce I I I've heard the stories

433
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,630
of whistleblowers have coming forward in the
exact same stuff you've said but you know

434
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I am very skeptical not based on those whistleblowers
because for sure we've seen you know Robert

435
00:39:03,830 --> 00:39:09,190
Salas we've seen lots of people that are part
of UFO right lets history have come forward

436
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:14,109
that know these stories and have testified
to Congress it's the newbies and the new ones

437
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:20,060
where exactly and to be honest just because
you've worked on any form of a classified

438
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:25,960
project or anything else doesn't mean you're
telling the truth and I'm very wary because

439
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,540
let's be honest UFO conversation it can lead
into many different Outlets we look at bobbles

440
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:39,270
are Bob Lazar has been a story since the early
80s and it still lives today and so there

441
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:43,750
is some we'll say lightly Fame and Fortune
I'm not saying Bob Lazar and attachments are

442
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:50,130
getting rich and famous off it but I am skeptical
I want to see the evidence and let's be honest

443
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:54,920
if these people are going to come forward
and some point they probably will we need

444
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,280
to know the full story I don't want a snippet
of it I don't want the times I don't want

445
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,710
any other larger Outlet that's Prestige media
to come forward and say this is only part

446
00:40:05,710 --> 00:40:10,069
of the story when we know that there's so
much more to it and that hasn't been released

447
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:14,091
and then we find out a year two years ten
years down the road and then you'd have a

448
00:40:14,091 --> 00:40:19,550
different perception of it initially when
you first heard it so lots of people lie and

449
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:25,849
I I think that it's smart to wait to to gather
the information and then be able to come forward

450
00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:29,599
and talk to the science of it and also be
able to because let's be honest if you're

451
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:34,089
having like let's say 11 to 12 whistleblowers
coming forward and saying you know aliens

452
00:40:34,089 --> 00:40:38,780
and don't have any evidence except for their
own experience and then we go we start screaming

453
00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:45,150
that that can be a huge issue it was a very
very big issue so I think it's right now it's

454
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:49,870
collecting my challenge with Sean Kirkpatrick
right now is this public portal he speaks

455
00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:55,660
of and I'm not so happy about that because
when you get private companies for example

456
00:40:55,660 --> 00:41:00,079
like there's multiple of them we know that
are looking to to gather UFO public data right

457
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,730
now from people and when you are connecting
with arrow and come and and uh and you're

458
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:11,619
a private corporate company you can't be foiled
you look you're protected from any foil requests

459
00:41:11,619 --> 00:41:16,560
and also do you know how much power you have
when it comes to health concerns and information

460
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,110
about these people and their experiences and
you can sell that for big data and make a

461
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:26,359
lot of money and you are connected to the
government and you're giving that information

462
00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:30,270
where are the rules where are the regulations
who's doing the public portal where is this

463
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:35,040
going the private do people have access to
it to the public because it's our information

464
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,160
and or corporate companies selling it so that's
a major concern to me and also again it's

465
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:46,280
a passive it's passive it's not reactive it's
like you come to us and you give us in the

466
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,050
information and then we'll look into it rather
than you're right I'm gonna go and drive my

467
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:57,369
bum to wherever it needs to be or fly and
go look at this in my with my own eyes and

468
00:41:57,369 --> 00:42:03,010
analyt I analyze it and be able to come to
some form of scientific conclusion you know

469
00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:10,160
um a lot to unpack there uh one thing um Gary
Nolan himself in that interview we were talking

470
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about said that a whistleblower had I don't
know where he got this information but he

471
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:20,089
said a whistleblower had testified the weekend
before his speech and I forget the phrase

472
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:27,800
he used but it was uh you know set people
off quite a bit um look if Sean Kirkpatrick

473
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,120
is fired then I want everyone to remember
you heard it here first uh but if he's not

474
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,900
please forget I said anything about it um
on the subject though of who these whistleblowers

475
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:46,690
are it is true there's a whole crowd of familiar
names that I don't think Merit The Whistleblower

476
00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:51,220
distinction at this point because they've
been so public for so long and they're not

477
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:55,950
actively engaged in programs among those would
be one person you mentioned Bob Salas who

478
00:42:55,950 --> 00:43:01,680
is a has a fantastic story to tell but also
people like Bob Lazar and and a whole host

479
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:09,140
of other people who say they've had experience
in and have worked on programs over the years

480
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:10,140
um

481
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:19,180
but why is it Shankar Patrick's putting a
subpoena to bobbles are I personally I think

482
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:24,950
he should I'd like to see Bob Lazar a hold
his hand up and swear to tell the whole truth

483
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:30,190
and nothing but the truth and then I'd like
to see the staff of Arrow or the Senate Intel

484
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:35,930
committee or the house or somebody um ask
difficult questions bring in expert testimony

485
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:39,970
and find out once and for all if Bob Lazar
is telling the truth or not because if he's

486
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:46,710
telling the truth that alone would be a radical
uh move in the in in the direction of Truth

487
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:51,619
so it you know it's it's hard to say um how
this is all going to shake out but one thing

488
00:43:51,619 --> 00:43:55,410
I I thought we should at least talk about
because we're if you're talking about the

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00:43:55,410 --> 00:44:01,119
difference between confirmation or disclosure
or you're talking about Sizzle or fizzle um

490
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:10,869
here's the thing it is now um late May of
2023 and that means uh they're still like

491
00:44:10,869 --> 00:44:19,520
what uh seven months left in the year and
I guess the question is a real Sizzle would

492
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:27,000
be that somehow something new comes out in
such a way that it dumps this whole UAP UFO

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00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:33,619
reality issue into the middle of the 2024
presidential campaign which would be radical

494
00:44:33,619 --> 00:44:39,460
uh my question Chrissy is do you think that's
possible because I've been thinking it was

495
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:44,930
possible in 2020 I even thought it was possible
in 2016 given that Hillary Clinton wanted

496
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:52,280
to be the disclosure president is it possible
in 2024 that in those debates between God

497
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:59,220
knows who will be there in the fall but that
uh journalists from Legacy Media that get

498
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:05,400
to ask the questions would ever Dane to ask
a question about UAP do you think that's possible

499
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,750
I'm going to pull a Gary Nolan and say a hundred
percent a hundred percent I asked this question

500
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:17,490
to Tim Burchette and said do you think first
of all do you think that this is a Republican's

501
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:23,170
topic and not Democratic and he said no he
thinks it's obviously a bipartisan which is

502
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:28,119
interesting and then I asked him now we know
that I believe Ron DeSantis has said that

503
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,320
he's running for presidency I think he announced
it or he's announcing it today at 6 PM or

504
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:38,750
something to that degree but that was a conversation
we know that Robert Bigelow has funded him

505
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:44,430
3 million and Robert Bigelow as we all know
is a major advocate for UFOs and a billionaire

506
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:50,360
so he's given him three million doesn't mean
that Ron DeSantis is going to use this in

507
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,600
his platform but it's curious so I'm following
that narrative I'm following to see what the

508
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Republicans are doing and who decides to use
this and Champion as part of their platform

509
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,900
to Garner an audience and so we've seen that
I personally think this and this does there's

510
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:10,920
no well I guess you could say there's evidence
but I personally think that Outlets like Fox

511
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,330
News talk about the UFO topic not because
they want truth and transparency I think they

512
00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:22,170
do it because they wanted they think that
the audience is it's Their audience and it's

513
00:46:22,170 --> 00:46:27,970
their targeted audience so yes I do think
that news media and politicians will probably

514
00:46:27,970 --> 00:46:33,630
potentially use this as part of their campaign
and speak to it like Hillary Clinton did they

515
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:38,030
always play around the topic and they always
you know know that majority of people want

516
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:42,450
to know and it's always been a question right
it's always been will disclosure come forward

517
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:47,030
it happened with Trump it's happened in every
election but now because it's very political

518
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:50,780
and congressmen are speaking about it and
bills are being passed in legislation it's

519
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:55,380
a hundred percent becoming something that
has to be regarded to and have conversation

520
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,920
has to be talked about with the president
even more than I would say in the past per

521
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,030
se so yeah I think it's gonna happen I'm just
and I'm not a fan of that personally because

522
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:08,710
I think it's supposed to be bipartisan and
it's not not supposed to be used the other

523
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:13,900
part too it's funny enough I was talking to
Tim McMillan about this he's our defense writer

524
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:19,970
one of the owners at the debrief and we were
chatting today about politicians using misinformation

525
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:24,160
and I asked him I said you know because he's
so good in this stuff and I love him for it

526
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,010
and I said is it legal because from what I've
been reading that it's legal that politicians

527
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:34,339
can use in misinformation in their campaigns
what like hold on that doesn't make sense

528
00:47:34,339 --> 00:47:39,329
you disinformation is illegal and you can't
do that to the general public but in campaigns

529
00:47:39,329 --> 00:47:46,359
rallying for presidency you are allowed to
misinform your public so let's be honest why

530
00:47:46,359 --> 00:47:52,099
wouldn't you be someone in the UFO Topic in
a presidency and use that to your advantage

531
00:47:52,099 --> 00:47:58,510
and help spread misinformation to within a
specific uh counterculture that has a handle

532
00:47:58,510 --> 00:48:03,970
on media can help persuade and also is a massive
demographic in the United States and North

533
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:09,359
America and around the world so to me it makes
sense you know and I hope they don't do it

534
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:15,619
I hope I'm a hundred percent wrong so let's
see there that is again you know um look I

535
00:48:15,619 --> 00:48:21,349
think it's fairly clear that whether it's
this year or two years from now or four years

536
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:29,660
from now the whole UAP UFA UFO issue uh is
going to enter into the election cycle now

537
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:36,030
right now the talking points for everybody
is as you said that it's bipartisan bipartisan

538
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:40,890
simply means I guess that there's not a democrat
or a republican position but I want to point

539
00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:45,990
out one thing about bipartisanship it bipartisanship
doesn't mean everybody's on the same team

540
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:51,610
it just may mean that if you take the Republican
team and the Democratic team that they have

541
00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:58,460
dissension within their own ranks because
this is not a a an issue that neatly bifurcates

542
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:03,910
into politics so it may be that um they're
split uh some of them are hawks and some of

543
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:09,680
them are doves like during the Vietnam war
for example um and the other possibility though

544
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,760
is virtually everything these stays wants
to become red or blue here in the United States

545
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,339
and it isn't impossible that a huge issue
such as UAP would do the same thing I mean

546
00:49:22,339 --> 00:49:26,569
it's already laying out there for somebody
to take it there's a threat uh there's the

547
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:31,710
we better trust but verify threat point of
view and then there's the point of view uh

548
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:35,800
hey they're all here for peace and goodwill
I guess that would be more the Stephen Grier

549
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:42,000
point of view uh so we don't know uh we we
can see a path where it's going to impinge

550
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,760
itself into these elections and God knows
I wish it would because I'd like more of these

551
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,460
people to be put on record um but who knows
how it's going to break down once it is and

552
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:59,030
then the other thing about it that just kind
of irks me um I would say it's pretty clear

553
00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:08,059
that uh former president Trump and President
Biden probably knew about the reality of whatever

554
00:50:08,059 --> 00:50:14,500
the Ultimate Reality is about UFOs and UAP
they may not have known every detail but they

555
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:19,080
both went along and and have gone along with
the idea that yeah I'm not really going to

556
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,950
come out and talk about it and I wish that
would end I think the the dialogue may maybe

557
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:29,859
may be needed so listen I'm going to do something
radical on this show which is I'm going to

558
00:50:29,859 --> 00:50:36,210
try to get out more or less on time so let
me let me just end here by asking us to each

559
00:50:36,210 --> 00:50:41,500
take a we started by talking about Sizzler
fizzle you said you were Sizzle tell me what

560
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:48,280
you think Sizzle means in the context of 2023
and why you think we're going to get some

561
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,250
of that and what it might look like I think
it's going to sizzle hopefully we'll see I

562
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:58,080
think the pendulum might swing if NASA does
come out I believe it's in a couple weeks

563
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:04,990
um with their report and there's some interesting
findings in there you know historically maybe

564
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:10,069
not we've seen this again we've seen multiple
you know reports done like this scientific

565
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:14,480
reports but let's hope NASA comes out with
something different if that does that changes

566
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,680
the sizzle in a scientific way and that is
very exciting and that gets the academic community

567
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,520
in universities and everywhere else in Ivy
League schools more involved so I think that

568
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,220
that to me would be the perfect Sizzle is
having some findings there but I'm not holding

569
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:35,780
my breath per se the next part I would say
then would be looking at specific whistleblowers

570
00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:41,520
that I would say that are talking specifically
I'm not going to say alien specifically to

571
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:47,970
UAP based has better footage maybe they're
pilots who knows that have a wonderful wonderful

572
00:51:47,970 --> 00:51:52,600
footage that can be analyzed and understood
I think that would be something that we're

573
00:51:52,600 --> 00:52:00,819
gonna to look at and that being released and
having like another 2017 you know uh moment

574
00:52:00,819 --> 00:52:05,799
again with Prestige media and then that going
viral that that would be really wonderful

575
00:52:05,799 --> 00:52:09,099
so I think that's where we're going to look
at the sizzle I don't think it's like disclosure

576
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:14,089
alien bodies are in the back you know not
yet now we're not going down there yet I think

577
00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:18,240
that's going to take a long time but to me
if we get to the point where science is leading

578
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,900
this even more then I think that's a win for
all of us excellent summation there hey uh

579
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:30,440
the NASA uh report uh that you're talking
about uh comes down May 31st and I don't know

580
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,480
if that's the report on May 31st NASA is holding
a public meeting that would take place at

581
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,670
10 30 a.m on the East Coast so 7 30 a.m on
the west coast and that is a Wednesday May

582
00:52:42,670 --> 00:52:48,990
31st and that's more of a discussion of its
independence study team on trying to categorize

583
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:54,970
and evaluate the data of UAP but I don't think
they have their report ready but again A lot

584
00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:58,780
of people are

585
00:52:58,780 --> 00:53:06,800
skeptical skeptical about NASA because NASA
has not stood up over the years and and accepted

586
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,240
this as a valid thing to look into so the
fact that the new NASA administrator is willing

587
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,420
to look into it and the government's willing
to tell NASA to look into it and they're willing

588
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:23,260
to to try to do a report I consider positive
but if there's going to be Sizzle I think

589
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:29,589
it's going to come from The Whistleblower
classified kind of thing because again if

590
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:36,359
names dates and locations are being discussed
uh in testimony before Congress what's interesting

591
00:53:36,359 --> 00:53:41,609
about that is those things can be checked
out this isn't just a guy saying yeah they

592
00:53:41,609 --> 00:53:46,089
brought me in I saw the sport model floating
there and you know but I can't prove it I

593
00:53:46,089 --> 00:53:50,950
can't even prove you know if there's names
dates and locations some of that might be

594
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:57,530
provable and as you said and we said earlier
on leaks can happen so listen um Chrissy thank

595
00:53:57,530 --> 00:54:01,579
you so much for being here this has been kind
of fun I really appreciated it I do too I

596
00:54:01,579 --> 00:54:03,400
had a great time Bryce thanks for having me
foreign

597
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,400
[Music] [Applause] [Music]

598
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:05,400
[Music]

599
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,400
not mine I'm ready

600
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,400
[Music]

601
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:20,930
tell me now I need to know

602
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:22,490
[Music]

603
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:24,040
[Applause]

604
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:48,880
[Music] you said it will blow my mind you
say we'll change mankind you say [Music]

605
00:54:48,880 --> 00:55:01,300
ready to be told time for secrets [Music]

606
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,410
[Music] [Applause]

607
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:07,520
[Music] tonight

608
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,070
[Applause]

609
00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:10,619
[Music]

610
00:55:10,619 --> 00:55:16,830
can we live together

611
00:55:16,830 --> 00:55:58,210
[Music] this is the plan we say I need to
know [Music]

612
00:55:58,210 --> 00:56:15,700
in other news

613
00:56:15,700 --> 00:58:08,849
we're supposed tonight that this was no swine
saucer Sports is next week

614
00:58:08,849 --> 00:58:16,780
I don't think